JetBlue First Officers: $89 an hour for year 1 and $130 an hour by year 6, Captains at JetBlue: $192 an hour to start, then a climb to $203 an hour by year. It seems their target is laid off pilots from Regionals that either furloughed them or the regionals that went under outright. You and your self-interested cronies don't get to decide what type of jobs people choose to take. Flew my 4day trip and took a Delta flight departing at 12:25am to MSP and connected to MDW. He must anticipate a lot of employee churn and be okay with that risk, deeming it worth the extra-low cost structure and less likely to result in speedy unionization, if it leads to it at all. Oh the horror of being open about the terms of the jobs and the compensation and then allowing potential flight attendants to decide if they want to accept the arrangement. I have worked with underpaid and undermotivated staff, and it s not pretty: for the staff, the management, the investors and the customers. Not Germany, France, the UK, Japan, no one. They can earn $40,000-$60,000 a year, cut you open, and often perform your entire surgery under the direct and indirect supervision of attending physicians, who are more experienced and make more like $350,000 to $700,000 a year. Guess if you cannot beat them, whisper sweet anti-mormon cult. I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. The pay scale also looks good. The pay is horrifically low, though. 4) $6,000 annually towards my tuition! Breeze Airways is a new airline thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021. 0 comments. How innovative. Were going to work hard to make sure this doesnt get off the ground, says Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA. This combination of low salary and high demands cannot be good for retention. 2) Free Travel! Some can force their way, others will accept any offer out of fear to lose their job. The sharpest students looking for a college education do not choose online learning only from a second-tier state school. I worked my way through college and I would have LOVED to have free housing provided. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms and during spring break we slept 12 to a hotel room. And why frankly, should businesses be saddled with this expense? That's the Breeze way. Aviation professionals pay has changed dramatically, starting in the late 80s. Fares are still way to high in the industry. Im sure theyd leap at the chance to earn USD given the depreciation of the R$. MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands As the app is described: That app, Neeleman says, is designed to convince customers to shell out for upgrades and extras, from food to rental cars, which Breeze is depending on to turn a profit. To be honest, many college kids waste 4 years of tuition partying and enjoying life without learning anything substantial. Housing is expensive. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms And you're worried about the quality of housing? Not my kind of thing. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. People may weigh each differently but those are the top three for nearly all travelers. While perhaps not quite as controversial, Breezes approach to hiring pilots is also raising some eyebrows, as flagged by @StringAndRuder and @AirlineFlyer. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners, Theyll receive $6,000 towards tuition for online coursework, Expect most Breeze tickets this summer to cost well under $100 one-way, When Breeze takes delivery of A220s later this year the airline will offer a first class, and expect those tickets to cost an extra $50-100 one-way, Breeze will charge $20 for checked bags on flights under three hours, Breeze wont charge change or cancelation fees, Breezes trip costs will be 25-30% lower than for competitors with A320s or 737s, While Breezes Embraer aircraft will have 108-118 seats, the airline will be able to break even when selling just 60 seats, Since the lease costs on Breezes planes are so low, the airline can afford to keep the planes parked during the week when demand is low, and fly them primarily on weekends, when demand is much higher, It sounds like Breeze is going to have an unheard of cost structure that will put virtually any other airline to shame; if the airline can really break even with a 50-55% load factor all while operating fairly small planes (that are easy to fill), Breeze will be a force to be reckoned with, Breeze is claiming that technology will be a true point of differentiation, though I feel like virtually every airline executive claims that about their own airline; only time will tell if this is all talk, or if Breeze has done something that no other airline has successfully done, Its so strange to me how Neeleman is known for building airlines with incredible corporate cultures and employee morale, where employees are able to grow with the airline, while hes seemingly taking a different approach with Breeze; I wonder how Breeze will evolve over time. First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six The comments on this page have not been provided, reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any advertiser, and it is not an advertiser's responsibility to ensure posts and/or questions are answered. Be honest. Also: are families welcome? The airline is expected to start selling tickets any day now, and I know many of us are curious about what the Salt Lake City-based carriers first routes will be. Starbucks employees don't plan on a career there, but they love the culture and it offers them a launching pad. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); My neighbor is in this program. So a lifelong career. The estimated salary at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $14,500 per year for Team Leader to $150,907 per year for Director.. This airline is banking on their 4 year contract holding up. The a la carte formula is very popular whether you personally like it or not. Commuting from another city to work is almost impossible when on reserve. I hope he's prepared to pay pilots a real premium, otherwise why go to a startup when the legacies will be hiring big-time. And I think at the moment there are a lot of pilots looking for work. I have no idea if they will be paid CA or FO rate while flying the right seat though. Young, unattached, few opportunities, and committed to finishing school in 4 years. How Much Does Breeze Airways Pay in 2023? (5 Salaries) This is a very exciting idea indeed! I think a lot of Airlines would be happy to have the pilots at 55 instead of 75. There is no contract (at will employment) and health insurance is provided and optional. The role of flight attendant will be more like an internship than a career, because Neeleman believes flight attendants dont improve much with years of experience, and that they can get trapped in a dead-end job due to the seniority system we see at other airlines: Its not something politically correct but its something David wholeheartedly believes in, says Trey Urbahn, a Breeze board member whos worked with Neeleman at several of his other airlines. I think Breeze will likely be cheaper while SW offers 2 free checked bags. Or to put it another way, by year six, First Officers at Breeze Airways end up making almost half as much as JetBlue Co-Pilots. When I flew with Virgin America I was based at SFO, but lived in ORD. Customer service: Generally speaking, younger hires are friendlier and perkier. Sure, theres the free market, but this also seems borderline exploitative. See more about our ethics policies here. Just be transparent. Hey. Not discussed here is the difference between flight hours and duty day. Spirit passengers, not so much. The most qualified and competent FA candidates will not be happy with a job that is not only poorly paid, but offers next-to-zero chances of becoming a career with that employer, while being viewed negatively by the career employers in the field. These numbers are minimums. Sorry @john S. my comment was for @Monty C. -. I liked the idea of them providing housing so I didn't have to scramble to find a crash pad or sign a lease somewhere. Free housing with huge tuition reimbursement. Getting paid $30-$40,000 isnt enough to keep most from leaving after a year. So Breeze may hire twentysomethings and train them, so what? Split a very inexpensive room with one or two others and have a fun time. I think the FAA needs to look into this. Jobs at Breeze Airways - Greenhouse It gets so tiresome. David Neeleman has always been a skinflint. Our normal business hours are Monday-Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Pacific Time). . So Breeze might get a few "interns" but the vast majority of people wanting the job want to stay there their whole working lives. Our Pilots are overall Leaders who safely take care of our Team Members and Guests. Therefor your flight attendant is going to be exhausted/probably not happy and definitely not rested enough to perform optimally in an emergency. It may be time to consider this for FAs too. There will be plenty of applicants! A cult, . Glorious. Kendor coming out strongly in favor of Gilded Age company towns, I see. Learn about Breeze Airways culture, salaries, benefits, work-life balance, management, job security, and more. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition. New airplane, new business model. Scary and for sure a company that will NEVER see me on any of there planes! I'll have fries with that, thanks. $1,200 a month is an embarrassment. This might work in the short-term, but the moment that demand recovers, the airline is going to have to significantly increase pay, or it will risk having pilots leave in droves. Some of these kids may never have ever been able to do that. Your speculation about how Breeze flight attendant will or will not make ends meet is rank speculation. How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? Classes are 100% online. American would attempt to get the lowest pay rates in the industry on comparable equipment. Seems like they could be taking advantage of this particular moment in time, and the situation the industry is in. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? Wonder what theyll pay their mechanics and pilots??? There are young people for whom a collegial work environment and highly social university-style housing would be quite appealing while they build skills. Are They Worth Taking? They cost a lot to train up and cost a lot to manage. Most professionals are comfortable with the idea of a starter job, and aren't looking for a father figure in their employer to guide them gently into old age. And they likely will try to launch with no union, am I right? As a retired Flight Attendant after 34 years of service I find this both offensive and sad. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be "turns" - out and back same day. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Just as the cure for high prices, are high prices, the cure for low wages, are low wages. AFTER 4 YEARS YOUR CONTRACT IS OVER AND CANNOT BE RENEWED. Eight hours plus. Past Flight Receipts. Does this really qualify as an "internship"? And was told that 90% would be "turns", out and back same day - no layovers. The initiative will see flight attendants be paid a fixed sum of $1,200 each month. I don't know if they will succeed, but credit them for thinking outside the box. Also: are families welcome? Spirit airlines is one of the most profitable airlines in the world proving that many people care more about price than most other things on flights. If the public and the FAA is satisfied with the drinks they get served and the safety practices that by law must be followed then perhaps there is no reason at all for them to vote with their feet. We don't really know enough at this point. With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. So, that will be difficult. What follows then is a vast amount of turnover which, in itself, compromises safety. Even if/though they get corporate housing (which could also be really dismal) they've still got to pay for food. I'm curious how many days on-call per month they have. These comments are something else. No person interactions. may be it is totally moronic. I think the deal is too good to be true while others think it's chump change and will never work. 10 years have passed, the salary for new FO's are basically the same but now you need at least 10 year as FO to become a captain. Spent $50 at the Vagabond motel next to the airport. Can the U.S. not have just one decent, heck even mediocre, airline? *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. Nah man, cars suck. I'm not sure anything this post really supports the hypothesis that they're underpaid. If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. 14% below the national average Job openings matching Flight Attendant in Breeze Airways Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time BDL Hartford, CT 30+ days ago Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time ORF Breeze's schedule is likely to have heavy seasonal flex. Breeze Airways First Officers: $62,000 by year six, JetBlue First Officers: $117,000 by year six, Breeze Airways Captains: $94,000 by year six. Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941 -MTS I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. How will Breeze compensate flight attendants? While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. I am sure they expect this, but will like to see what happens. . Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. 4) $6,000 annually towards my tuition! Neeleman has a track record of success in the industry, so Im curious to see how this venture works out. Their value is astronomical. Checking in Online. You get what you pay for folks! Wow, what a depressing indicator of the state of our society with an emptied out middle class that flight attendants are being hired at poverty wages and worthless online "tuition credits.". The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. And its an immediate tip-of-the-hat to what their culture will be based onmoney is king, you dont matter. I would have loved an opportunity like this. End stage capitalism here people. Even brands that truly tried to build a better experience (jetblue, alaska, virgin (rip)) eventually competed mostly on price. Is there a penalty for leaving early? Is there a penalty for leaving early? The downside for me, and they exist in almost all arrangements, is the unknown as to whether we'll have health insurance. Maybe wait and see? pilots from the majors who took retirement might jump at the chance to fly again. It's funny, isn't it the view of things changes upon where you're standing. The next step from airlines would probably challenge the FAA rule of 1 FA per 50 pax. Prime Minister/Moderator. Think lifeguards. The comments on this page have not been provided, reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any advertiser, and it is not an advertiser's responsibility to ensure posts and/or questions are answered. This might work at Breeze for now given the state of the airline industry, but somethings gotta give over time here. This article mentions and quotes minimum monthly guarantee, but fails to show the pay for picking up extra flying. Pilots from Compass and Expressjet will flock to Breeze to maintain currency. Also, Breeze Airways may be a good solution for a pilot who only wants to rack up 55 hours each month with a lighter workload. Breeze Airways PAYSCALES CAPTAIN PAY SCALE (Hourly) FIRST OFFICER PAY SCALE (Hourly) PAY CALCULATOR (Click and drag the sliders) Pay Rate: $150 Credit Time: 75 Hours Bid Periods: 1 Percentage: 1 $11,250 PAY NOTES Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours PER DIEM Scheduled pay raises: Yearly Disappointed but not surprised. As a society we have started to forget the notion of a first job leading to better skills and better salary. Profitability is how many dollars you make your investors, i.e. Forgot to add to my previous post that it is two person corporate housing with private bedrooms (think Residence Inn by Marriott, like SkyWest training). but if your salary stays low, you cannot build a family. There's a lot of old pilots - is Neeleman hiring them because of their looks, or because they know how to fly a plane? Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. Welcome! It's quite likely that Breeze wants the low minimum guarantee of 55 so that they can shrink their capacity in the low-demand months without paying pilots to sit. This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. Wasn't aware of breeze low pay scale. The race to the bottom continues. Your slip is showing. This year is unique in pilots employment, but when the majors start hiring again, they will love poaching all the pilots from Breeeze! After the carrier recently announced the hourly pay offered to pilots, however, the aforementioned description may not be satisfactory. America is Great! Someone has the verb and the noun meanings of intern confused. Could happen. And @Ben L. is still reminiscing the best cars in the world evar, made by 100% union labor in the 1980s. In this post I wanted to cover a few of the highlights of this story, because there are some really surprising tidbits in here. As in, Gompers? The starting and long-term salaries offered by Breeze Airway are as follows for First Officers and Captains: First Officers: $55 an hour raise to $94 an hour by the sixth year of employment, Captains: $117 an hour raised to $143 an hour by year six of flying with the company. . It sounds to me like I am reading a history book about people who had to work in company housing, buying at the company store - another day older and deeper in debt. How far can this avalanche go where the top 1% get ever greater portions of the wealth, while the rest, well we dont think about them. Its unfair pay but it is a fun job and these are weird times. Unfortunatetly, US travel and passenger fare remains an uncertainty. Arron, Im neither fat, unfit or rude, ugly well maybe. 1) Against unions: not every employee is good at negotiating. El Segundo, CA 90245. The sharpest students looking for a college education do not choose online learning only from a second-tier state school. Breeze vs. JetBlue pilot pay Here's JetBlue's Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: First officers are paid $89 per hour in year one, and $130 per hour in year six Captains are paid $192 per hour in year one, and $203 per hour in year six Pilots are guaranteed pay for 75 hours per month of flying In other words: Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. NB: there's a pilot shortage. Again, a lot will depend upon the future demand for air travel. I don't know how Breeze expects to hire the best people who invest in the job at those wages. You don't get any insurances. Yep.when there is an emergency on board and seconds or mistakes can mean the difference between life and death, what I want is a bunch of 20 something overgrown teenagers with absolutely no investment in their jobs in charge! Time away from home and on duty? Students hired by Breeze under the program, however, can only work as flight attendants while they are completing the university course. Our model gets smarter over time as more people share salaries on Glassdoor. The estimated base pay is $3,842 per month. New or retreads? 3 Your speculation about FA rest and workload is also rank speculation. Why Do Airlines Oversell (& Overbook) Flights? They know how lousy the job market is right now, and Im sure they have a very good idea of what the numbers are going to look like, not only now, but in the coming months and years when it comes to out-of-work pilots. There are many young people that lack the $$ or choose not to go into debt (student loan/s) for a traditional higher education.